Moon in Sagittarius sign project

[Jim Eshelman]

Welcome to the Moon in Sagittarius discussions project, which will run December 16, 2018 - January 14, 2019 (and then will remain around in case people want to revisit it in the future). Please gather your list of Moon in Sagittarius people (especially those you know personally) and join us.

This will be the final installment of our two years of concentrating, a month at a time, on the Sun and Moon signs. We might stop here, or we might do Mars signs. I invite your votes and requests on this. (I'm way behind all of you, but you've given me useful insights every month that will help a great deal as I revisit all our sign interpretations. This is the largest block of work needed before I start writing what will likely be my personal "final word" book on Sidereal astrology.)

Here are Moon in Sagittarius interpretive resources on the forum:
Primary section: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34#p150
Cyril Fagan: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=105&p=636#p642
Garth Allen: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33#p138
Manilius: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=121#p746

My current concise summary of Moon in Sagittarius (always subject to change) reads:

Higher & higher (ambition, spiritual aspiration, flight). Optimism (adapting with positivism). Courteous, gracious, natural hosts. Seeks to impress (needs validation, approval). Devoted to ideals & values (political; nationalistic, tribal; loves history). Dramatic (actors). Mercenary. Strong family ties.

Here are some other threads that may give insight into Sagittarius Moon:
Aerospace Age https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1976#p14100
Moon in Sagittarius Racism https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1611
George Washington's Sagittarius Moon https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=432

[Veronica]

Ill get back to this after I think more on it....but...I dont know any personally.....yet the minute I read your summary I smiled because I knew off the top of my head one celebrity that I love that I Knew had to be. Sag. Moon.

The original Dark Lady
The Gyspy Tramp and Thieve
The Half Breed
The Jesse James slayer
The one who can Turn Back Time
And the one who can always nake me Believe!!-

The one and only Cher!!!

[Jim Eshelman]

Of "regulars" around Solunars, Moon is in Sagittarius for:

By Jove
Venus Daily
Benji

Additionally, Mikestar's friend Terry and "back in the day" participants like Al Montag, Alexandra Chandra, and CryptoVatic.

[Soft Alpaca]

Don't know many of these types. Having the sign energy myself (along with the strong Sun Jupiter on top of it) looking at it from a non clouded stand point I'd say this is pretty much right on the money.

I think of course other aspects and planetary influences and alignments in ones chart accentuate the various sides of this placement. [Why some sag Moons are more liberal social climbers, others conservative some to the point of extremism and racism].

The one sag moon I believe I have met goes through swings of radical Christian episodes (as she feels this is given to her by her family, but her sexuality and anxiety cause slips ups that she fixes with strict biblical structure and living). I was personally told by her that we couldn't be friends for a duration of time in one of those moments because of my astrology and tarot/oracle use and "omens" I have. I was "following the path of the devil".

Also most I think sag Moons may have a tendency to be orchards rather that dandelions (maybe this is true for most sag suns I'm not sure). Orchards need love and special treatment, a stick to hold um up, and they wither shortly when you pick them. Dandelions grow rain or shine, they come and go, you can pick one and it will stay nice all day long.

[sotonye]

My sister has a Sagittarius moon and I didn't realize until just now. The usual Jupiter themes characterize her well, she is without a doubt the most ambitious, the most title hungry of my siblings, which has resulted in her obtaining her masters degree and flaunting it proudly. And her social appetite is only rivaled by her religiosity, which I thought for the longest time that she would outgrow, but which she has held onto with more conviction than I have been able to understand. She's a bit of a snob about everything and speaks as if every address to her is absurd, at least to those in my family, but her other less intimate "intimates" see a more refined and pleasant side, and one that's obviously an act. She's very dramatic, and often expresses herself in a way which, unlike like Piscean exaggeration, uses the tone of the voice as opposed to the details of a story to produce an effect. And when she's not being dramatic she's consuming some form of drama or other, either by watching an obnoxious show parading the dysfunction of others, or by inciting my mother to give details about the troubles at work. To add to these points, and since the interpretation for this placement mentions inflexibility, it's worth mentioning that the traits noted above have been remarkably consistent across time, and I often talk with my father about how there isn't one person in the world more disinclined to change. All of my siblings including myself are Jupiterian in some way, so we don't mind her behavior at all and have some deep understanding of it beyond words. Which is to say that I do appreciate my sister

[sotonye]

I know two others with this placement, two girls I've been intimate with. The post above captures their characters well, especially the philosophical and religious interest. The point in the interpretation about infatuation with weaponry and history is something I've never seen before, and I think this interest is not so different from the religious impulse, and that it tends to express itself more along those lines (at least with women).

[Benji]

I am recovery from the flu, on-call and I am working tomorrow.

I will do my best to post something in the next week. I would just like to add that the charge of racism is understandable but, inaccurate. Racism is just plain ignorant.

[mikestar13]

Of "regulars" around Solunars, Moon is in Sagittarius for:

By Jove
Venus Daily
Benji

Additionally, Mikestar's friend Terry and "back in the day" participants like Al Montag, Alexandra Chandra, and CryptoVatic.

"Friend" is an enormous understatement these days. Terry will be wife 2.0 sometime after 3/26/2019 when my divorce is final, though for religious reasons I have not formally proposed to her and won't until March. But we are fully agreed.

She shows the Sag moon quite clearly in her deep faith and her genial nature. Her moon is sextile her Mecury-Venus conjuction and trine her Uranus. so she has quite a lot of benefic action going on!

[Benji]

Peace, health and wealth to my fellows' inner explorers,

I am in over my head for this conversation, when I woke up on Christmas morning and I had a pocket knife grinding into my right thigh. I sleep in cargo shorts and I had forgotten to put my pocket knife on my nightstand before (Along with my six (6) other pocket knives, a 26'inch short sword) I fell asleep. I always thought the infatuation with the blade culture was unfounded, till then.

I have written replays to every point from the original post.
But, during my attempts at writing point by point replays, two themes became apparent.
For me, as far as I tell,

A Moon in Sagittarius.
Civilization building.
Radicalization e.g. Closet Aristocrats..

[Benji]

Cons; Nostalgia, static beliefs.

[Parto]

[redacted]

[Parto]

Irrationally sure of their way of going about things, often assuming others are incompetent or ignorant if they diverge from that.

[Jim Eshelman]

Irrationally sure of their way of going about things, often assuming others are incompetent or ignorant if they diverge from that.

This just strikes me as a particular expression of the more general "feels [or needs to feel] innately superior to others." - Do you agree?

[Parto]

Yes. But it also goes with being "rigid and inflexible," which is interestingly juxtaposed to the need for improvement. (No one said it was self-improvement!) If one already has the right way, and yet things aren't as good as one would want, surely the fault lies... elsewhere.

[Jim Eshelman]

...to the need for improvement. (No one said it was self-improvement!)

I don't think I've ever said that Moon in Sagittarius has a need for improvement. They have a "need to go higher and higher," need to increase their own importance, but I don't remember ever thinking of this as a need for improvement. (I suppose we could say that self-improvement is one tactic for being thought, by other people, to be more important; but it's only one tactic.)

[Parto]

You didn't, that I've seen. I used the word to mean more or less what you just described. (And to make the "joke" about self-improvement.)

[Danica]

...to the need for improvement. (No one said it was self-improvement!)

I don't think I've ever said that Moon in Sagittarius has a need for improvement. They have a "need to go higher and higher," need to increase their own importance, but I don't remember ever thinking of this as a need for improvement. (I suppose we could say that self-improvement is one tactic for being thought, by other people, to be more important; but it's only one tactic.)

... very interesting observation, Jim!
I’m thinking: Hitler, Goebels, Krishnamurti, Edison, Melania Trump... and boy oh boy, ain’t this on point! Even Greta Turnberg, young as she is.

[Jim Eshelman]

Sagittarius remains the most common Moon-sign for U.S. presidents, even though there hasn't been one since before the Civil War: Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, Quincy Adams, Van Buren, Buchanan.

Oh, wait, one was after the Civil War: Chester A. Arthur. (And Al Gore was famously "the former next President of the United States" .)

[Jim Eshelman]

My sister has a Sagittarius moon... The usual Jupiter themes characterize her well, she is without a doubt the most ambitious, the most title hungry of my siblings, which has resulted in her obtaining her masters degree and flaunting it proudly. And her social appetite is only rivaled by her religiosity, which I thought for the longest time that she would outgrow, but which she has held onto with more conviction than I have been able to understand. She's a bit of a snob about everything and speaks as if every address to her is absurd... but her other less intimate "intimates" see a more refined and pleasant side, and one that's obviously an act. She's very dramatic, and often expresses herself in a way which... uses the tone of the voice as opposed to the details of a story to produce an effect. And when she's not being dramatic she's consuming some form of drama or other, either by watching an obnoxious show parading the dysfunction of others, or by inciting my mother to give details about the troubles at work... the traits noted above have been remarkably consistent across time.. there isn't one person in the world more disinclined to change.

My mother has sometimes criticized my father for Sagittarian traits which she herself possesses. Always looking out for a "lucky break" financially. ("Mercenary" is so right.) A varying amount of prejudice against certain groups, which is then promptly denied. Seeking to impress almost anyone that comes along. In her case it's more of a "be a genuinely good host" thing...; in his, it's more clearly seeking validation.

Irrationally sure of their way of going about things, often assuming others are incompetent or ignorant if they diverge from that.

[Jim Eshelman]

Many times I've written that Sagittarius shows the process of evolution from beast to human etc.

I just got reminded... or noticed for the first time?... that one person with Moon in Sagittarius was... Charles Darwin.

I usually remember Darwin for his Aquarius Sun but, duh...!

[Jim Eshelman]

My mother has sometimes criticized my father for Sagittarian traits which she herself possesses. Always looking out for a "lucky break" financially. ("Mercenary" is so right.)

Parto, can you say more what you meant when you said, "'Mercenary' is so right"?

I'm having trouble convincing myself that my original point (at least, as I've said it so far) is correct - not seeing the exact thing I saw in the past. Could you flesh out what you're seeing, please? (Thanks in advance.)

PS - I originally meant by the word that they've all for sale, their price isn't too far out of the purchaser's reach, and they're willing to negotiate. But I'm now not sure that's broadly true of Sagittarius Moon men and women.

[Parto]

Meaning, when an opportunity for obtaining money comes up, being swept up by it and taking it up, with considerations such as the methods and the risks involved taking a back-seat, possibly being ignored altogether. In other words, laser-focus on the possibility of gain.

I'm sure it could apply to something other than money (such as status), but I guess it was what I was thinking about specifically.

[Jim Eshelman]

Thank you. So... avaricious, money-grubbing? More than covetous, not really gluttonous,

[Parto]

Dead-on.

their price isn't too far out of the purchaser's reach

Of course, more is always better, but all that's needed is to reach the point of "this is worth it," (or: "it'll be more than I have now"!) and that's not hard to reach.

[FlorencedeZ.]

I know quite a few Sag’s Moons and what I find obvious with all of them is that they are strict and rigid on themselves.
And within these parameters they deal with their daily life and interactions.
Some have severe Ocd.
Also it was written here before, they can be wannabe aristocrats and haughty.
It also has to do with good manners and behaving well I think.
Two of my friends with this Moon placement have bipolar disorder. They adapt with optimism and get very bubbly and eventually manic. They are the loveliest people I know with generous hearts.

[Jim Eshelman]

I think I'm done with Moon in Sagittarius. However, this one was unusually tough and I might still be stumbling over my feet a bit. If you're interested in the topic, could you take a new look and give an opinion?

The full write-up is here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34#p150

Here is my new concise summary, headed by the three keywords I selected:

Rank, Rightness, Community. Higher & higher (ambition, aspiring, climbing, flight). Seeks rank, leadership, respect. Gracious host, hospitality. Personal code (moral, religious, social, or rational "rightness"). Right & wrong, reward-punishment (judgmental). Enjoys civilization's fruits. Dramatic (actors). Family ties, loyal to their society (community, church, team, class, nation, race).

[Parto]

The summary looks cleaner despite being slightly longer. I'd say that's a good thing.

I notice "wanting to impress" didn't make it into the summary itself. You also did away completely with needing specifically "validation", "attention," and "approval." (Interestingly, Moon in Gemini has the latter two.) I particularly enjoyed the line about their being "a puppy who will bark for attention," or something like that.

I mention those merely because it's what jumped at me as "no longer being there" when reading the new interpretation. Seeking "respect" and "inclusion," which is there, might be better fits to the roots of the above, in any case, and perhaps the new text will fly (get it?) with the natives better. I'd imagine they also won't raise much objection to the three keywords, which is one of my favorite sets you've picked for all of the interpretations so far.

[Jim Eshelman]

I notice "wanting to impress" didn't make it into the summary itself.

I subsumed it within "seeks rank," which is a a more general and inclusive statement.

You also did away completely with needing specifically "validation", "attention," and "approval."

The clearest thing in that direction, on re-examination, is the need for respect. I don't know that they want approval other than in the sense of "being right" and being included. Several of these also dance around "need to feel superior" (i.e., whatever creates the feeling).

I particularly enjoyed the line about their being "a puppy who will bark for attention," or something like that.

I did too - and I remember the point in the 1970s I wrote that. But my standard is I don't ut a trait down unless I can find it in 70-80% of the people of the sample I'm examining and I think there were one or two that fit that.

Do you think the final full write-up is correct / representative?

Thanks for this.

[Parto]

Yes. Reading it and mentally scanning through a couple of private examples in addition to the aforementioned, and some famous ones, it all comes together very well.

You're welcome.