Mars squares the last Neptune-Pluto conjunction

[Jim Eshelman]

Neptune last conjoined Pluto on April 30, 1892, 128 years ago. They were both at 14°28' Taurus. If these "last conjunction" points persist as "radical" positions subject to transit, there is no better example than transits to the last Neptune-Pluto conjunction over a century ago.

Today, Mars crosses 14°28' Aquarius, square this degree. Mars last conjoined the Neptune-Pluto conjunction degree April 13, 2019, starting the current cycle of aspects.

Will we see, on or within a day or so of today, an expression of Mars transiting the word's Neptune-Pluto combination? What would this mean?

NOTE: Since their conjunction in 1892, Neptune-Pluto have not even reached the first square of their centuries-long aspect cycle. Pluto slowed down to about the same speed as Neptune so that the two hovered in sextile for half a century. They will square each other in 2061-2065 - few of us on this forum will likely see that time. Their opposition will not come until 2137-39 and their next conjunction at in 2385 - a single conjunction at 12° Taurus. (It seems that Neptune and Pluto orbits so conspire that they will always meet in mid-Taurus. Even the 2137-2141 oppositions occur with Pluto in mid-Taurus and Neptune in mid-Scorpio.

[Jim Eshelman]

The biggest thing that happened in 1892, as far as I can tell - certainly the thing with the longest-lasting impact affecting the most people - was the invention of basketball. It was a gigantic thing. I have no clue how this might be connected to Neptune conjunct Pluto, though it may have a lot to do with two heavy planets in Taurus.

(In Springfield, MA, where James Naismith published rule of the game two days after the 1892 Capsolar, Sun was half a degree from Descendant opposite a rising Gemini Moon.)

It was a big year for sports: The Stanley Cup was also inaugurated by Sir Frederick Stanley. the first French rugby championship game occurred. The Sierra Club was founded (a great Taurus theme).

Also, General Electric was established. Lizzie Borden did her Lizzie Borden thing (you know the song). The Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker ballet is first performed, another very distinctive Taurus occurrence. But I don't find marks of the time in cultural shifts or even geopolitical shifts that I can attribute to a Neptune-Pluto conjunction, which I find strange.


Looking at the last Mars transit to this point April 13, 2019 - an event more like the astronomical event we have today, and possibly connected to it - the most significant event is the fire that burned Notre-Dame. This seems a good symbolic fit (including the fact that it occurred in Taurus - the Taurus symbolism has been strong in this).

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

Neptune last conjoined Pluto on April 30, 1892, 128 years ago. They were both at 14°28' Taurus.  (It seems that Neptune and Pluto orbits so conspire that they will always meet in mid-Taurus.

Jim, this 'conspire' universal situation is most interesting to me! What I find most interesting about this most 1892 potent Neptune-Pluto conjunction---it fell partile conjunct the important fixed star Aldebaran. My studies show Aldebaran was prominent with Tokyo's 1945 Capsolar for the dropping of the two atomic bombs on Japan in Aug 1945, which was actually a tremendous release of ENERGY, although destructive. Uranus was partile conjunct Aldebaran culminating in Tokyo's 1945 Capsolar. Bottom line: We saw a tremendous release of ENERGY when t. Uranus at 15 Taurus coincided with the atomic explosions on two cities in Japan, and t. Uranus partile cnj the Neptune -Pluto conjunction on April 30 1892.

Jim wrote:

The biggest thing that happened in 1892, as far as I can tell - certainly the thing with the longest-lasting impact affecting the most people - was the invention of basketball. It was a gigantic thing. I have no clue how this might be connected to Neptune conjunct Pluto, though it may have a lot to do with two heavy planets in Taurus.

This April 30 1892 cnj of Neptune-Pluto partile cnj Aldebaran may be associated with:

Electric power transmission, the tools and means of moving electricity far from where it is generated, date back to the late 19th century. They include the movement of electricity in bulk (formally called "transmission") and the delivery of electricity to individual customers ("distribution"). In the beginning, the two terms were used interchangeably.

This 'stunning/shocking' (Pluto) cultural event of power transmission is illustrated beautifully in a current new movie called “The Current War” about Thomas Edison, George Westinghouse, and Nikolai Tesla laying the foundations for a tremendous amount of ENERGY (Light) beginning its spread around the World. This Movie was scheduled to be released into Theaters this Spring, but due to Pandemic was released through You Tube Movies. I encourage people to watch this interesting movie for it is about the TIME when the World was brought out of darkness into LIGHT with the transmission of electricity. It makes astrological common sense to me this 1892 Neptune-Pluto conjunction on Aldebaran played a timing role for the development of electricity spreading around the World. Many people back in those days looked upon this cultural event of electricity as some kind of magic-illusion (Neptune).

So, what about the future with t. Uranus in about 8 years again partile conjuncting this 1892 Neptune-Pluto conjunction? I am not saying I got all of this symbolism right---I only present as food for thought.

[Jim Eshelman]

Well, we can get a clue right now as to what (if anything) that will mean. The immediate questions are: Do transits to these points actually have value? If so, then what meaning or expression will Mars' transit to it have today.

(Of course, Uranus' transit of Aldebaran is approximately Uranus' return to its place in the U.S. natal chart. It will be the third U.S. Uranus Return, the others falling in the critical years 1860-61 and 1944-45. We'll get it next in 2028-29.)

[Veronica]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Rules

Personally think this event is more important then basketball and fits the theme.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

(Of course, Uranus' transit of Aldebaran is approximately Uranus' return to its place in the U.S. natal chart. It will be the third U.S. Uranus Return, the others falling in the critical years 1860-61 and 1944-45. We'll get it next in 2028-29.)

No angular malefic aspects for DC's 2028-29 Capsolars.

[Danica]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Rules

Personally think this event is more important then basketball and fits the theme.

Good catch!

The Geneva Rules are the rules established by the International Chemistry Committee in 1892. These rules were the beginning of international cooperation for organic chemistry nomenclature. They were decided upon by a group of 34 of leading chemists from 9 different European nations. Their goal was to provide rules for the naming of aliphatic compounds (...).

[Jim Eshelman]

The main question, though, is whether any major manifestation occurs (roughly) yesterday, today, or tomorrow that is an expression of Mars' transit to this degree.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

This is the thread I was looking for in the Mars in Aquarius thread.

Besides Space-X and passing the 100,000 dead from Covid-19 mark, there's also the murder in Minneapolis and the protests, burning the area down.

Also China has passed a new law to subjugate Hong Kong. This is huge. Watch the financiers leave Hong Kong a ghost town, and where will they end up? Not the US!

[Jim Eshelman]

Ah, yes, now that Neptune-Pluto remark makes sense! Sorry I didn't catch it.

Yes, China's subjugation of Hong Kong is gigantic - and it's part of a process that has been ongoing during the entire life-span of this Neptune-Pluto cycle over the last century. And yesterday was, indeed, an unusually gruesome, brutal day in several ways.

For the U.S., there were several other indications of a violent time. The Caplunar has Mars rising. The Canlunar two days ago is the worst Week chart this month (I literally wrote, "This is the roughest week of the month."). Saturn and Uranus both square angles within 1° and we have a run of quotidian crossings of Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Mars building peaking this weekend and very strong a couple of days either side. Mars squares U.S. Cansolar Asc May 25-31 to concentrate the outright violence and other hurt on this country.

But the Hong Kong shift was at a whole different level with layers of meaning and repercussion that people aren't thinking about too much yet - the world economic impact being perhaps the most pivotal.

I think it not unreasonable to think that this fits the transit and keeps alive the idea that, just maybe, these "last conjunction" points are important.

[Jim Eshelman]

Neptune last conjoined Pluto on April 30, 1892, 128 years ago. They were both at 14°28' Taurus. If these "last conjunction" points persist as "radical" positions subject to transit, there is no better example than transits to the last Neptune-Pluto conjunction over a century ago.

Today, Mars crosses 14°28' Aquarius, square this degree. Mars last conjoined the Neptune-Pluto conjunction degree April 13, 2019, starting the current cycle of aspects.

At the time I wrote this, we did not yet have news about George Floyd's murder the night before. With the last Neptune-Pluto conjunction at 14°28' Taurus, Mars at the time of Floyd's murder was 13°42' Aquarius, within a degree.