Novien table

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Novien table

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I've recreated Fagan's Novien conversion table. Since Solar Fire doesn't calculate Noviens without a trick, this might be easier for some - plus, study of it discloses internal patterns of the Novien structure that one doesn't get just from calculating a Novien from software.

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Example of use:

Pres. Biden's natal Moon is 7°02'42" Aries.

Using the table, 7° Aries (like 7° of any Imperial constellation) converts to 3° Libra.
From the bottom (Minutes) table, 02' converts to 0°18'.
Using the same table, 42" converts to 6'18" (reading deg/min as min/sec).

Adding these gives a Novien Moon as 3°24'18" Libra.


Second example:

Pres. Trump's natal Moon is 27°12'58" Scorpio.

Using the table, 27° Scorpio (like 2° of any Enigma constellation) converts to 3° Cancer.
From the bottom (Minutes) table, 12' converts to 1°48'.
Using the same table, 58" converts to 8'41" (reading deg/min as min/sec).

Adding these gives a Novien Moon as 4°56'41" Cancer.
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Re: Novien table

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I think I follow, but I also think you have some typos:
Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 2:39 pm Pres. Biden's natal Moon is 7°02'42" Aries.
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From the bottom (Minutes) table, 02' converts to 0°09'.
02' should convert to 0°18', right?

That would result in a Novien Moon position of 3°24'18" Libra, if I'm mathing correctly.
Pres. Trump's natal Moon is 27°12'58" Aries.
Should be Scorpio Moon, right? I follow the math otherwise.

Thanks for posting. I think this is valuable and I have some ideas for adding this output to my workflow (user-defined points).
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Thanks. Small corrections made above.
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I used this today. My life has taken a drastic turn, I swerved in the wrong direction end ended up in the lane leaning towards protection and some what the law. I think I definitely feel as some of my aspects to my novien sun (and perhaps why aspects to my moon in my natal chart feel more intense as it stays the same) to natal planets have some sort of validity to them. (I tend to feel the same way about Mars-Uranus perhaps because they overlap one another)

I think the conjunction to natal Venus and square to Mars are changing my sense of eltisim or compliance.(The Sun is also within a 5 degree orb of their mp natally to note, I use rather small orbs but still). I work in everything to construction, to event facilitation (including getting into food., center pieces, wedding cakes etc). To working in Fire Watch or doing Security (which I'm made to dispatch for sometimes), where I actually get tobdeal with the most notorious in my opinion of crimanaks in the US. Especially in Atlanta (near where I'm working this current 8 day gig). There is definitely an urge to shape up so I can take over the mansion I rent in and work at. Also to invest and the companies I have in mind are not olny reacted to class:(my field of work some of them), but also art. Everything has to fit in this aesthetic to suit my unique temper. From hot to cold, loud to quiet. Most of the art I like and would buy either has history, simplicity, or color attached to it. Each is their own wealth.

(I used it to check my novien sun at 0.5°06 scorpio(?)).
No i'm not homeless.. you just can't smell the roses as well as you can through a teepee door..
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