A timed chart for the May 17 1792 NYSE Radical Chart

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:30 am

WD Gann, probably the greatest researcher of markets ever-- stated from his detailed course material from “How To Make Profits in Markets” on page 64 this:

Time Cycles:
Time is the most important factor in determining market movements because the future is a repetition of the past and each market movement is working out time in relation to some previous Time Cycle. A serious study of the various Time Periods and Cycles will convince you how the Markets repeats the same price levels under the same Time Periods of some previous cycle. The Great Time Cycles are most important because they record the periods of extreme high or low prices. The most important Time Cycle for markets is the 90 year Time Cycle.

I know as a documented recorded written fact, WD Gann predicted the 1930s Depression!

When we subtract 90 years from the present (2020) we arrive at 1930 and America was slipping into a Great Depression with a collapsing price of the NYSE. But, what I find most interesting as an astrologer and student seriously studying the 1930s Great Depression: In 1930 we clearly see a Solar Arc of McWhirter's 1792 NYSE timed chart ASC at 04,40 Scorpio partile 180 NYSE Sun 05,22 Taurus. Today, 90 years later we see NYSE Solar Asc 05,21 Aquarius partile 90 NYSE Sun 05,22 Taurus.

I do know as a fact WD Gann was a serious astrologer and I know as a fact WD Gann was a member of the NYSE. I equate WD Gann scholarship with markets the same as I do for Cyril Fagan's scholarship with Sidereal Astrology. WD Gann being a member of the NYSE was in position to access historical records of the NYSE and other Commodity Markets. I strongly suspect WD Gann was in a position to obtain the exact times for the first timed trades in all the markets. As a young serious Sidereal Astrologer, these first timed trades in the various markets would be priceless, particularly from a pure research point of view.

I strongly suspect WD Gann discovered his “most important” 90 year great cycle by noticing when the ASC of a timed market chart partile 90/180 the Sun of the same market chart with Solar Arcs rates (app 1 year = 1 degree)---price history of a market repeated itself! Of course this proves what we Sidereal Astrologers already know: Astrological Time is governing everything! "Timing is Everything."

IMO, another confirmed economic depression may be somewhat shorten in time length with a Federal Reserve backstopping the economic pain with Stimulus Packages, so at least people will not starve to death. But, until the right drugs are produced to kill/prevent the infection of this Covid-19 Virus--the Federal Reserve can't do anything about this Virus.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:52 am

I feel very strongly, as I have been posting about, the world is repeating a well recognizable/known 90 year cycle in the NYSE. "A picture is worth a thousand words." Here is a price chart of the NYSE from 1929-1932, link below. I think we are going to see history repeat itself again with prices in the NYSE from 2020-2022, mirroring what happen to the NYSE prices in 1929-1932. Again, I hope I am dead wrong!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... njunam.png

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:03 pm

The 2024 Capsolar has an exactly angular Jupiter - the first one to do so.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:54 pm

Jim wrote:

The 2024 Capsolar has an exactly angular Jupiter - the first one to do so.

Something for the Country to look forward to in the future. Excellent observation.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:59 am

For a comparison of a possible repeating 90 year economic cycle with unemployment figures, here are the unemployment figures for the 1930s during the Great Depression:

1929: 3.2 %
1930: 8.7 %
1931: 15.9 %
1932: 23.6 %
1933: 24.9 %
Unemployment remained above 14% from 1931-1940.
During the Great Recession unemployment reached 10.1% in 2009
The Federal Reserve of Saint Louis has projected a possible unemployment figure as high of 32% in the Second Quarter of this year.

If we see unemployment figures as high as 25%, this will economically be declared as another Great Depression confirming in my mind a 90 year 'TIME CYCLE' repeating itself from the 1930s.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:25 am

FWIW:
Because I have stated I believe the NYSE is repeating a 90 year cycle from the Great Depression of 1929-1932, I post the following in this topic:

IMO, Jim Rickards is a true “Cassandras” for today's economic times. The main reason I believe this is because of the knowledge I have learned in my life with technical analysis for markets. Read about “Cassandra” below link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra_(metaphor)

For what its worth, if the Gold Market closes on the weekly charts above its all time high of app 1,950 $, Jim Rickards gold price projections in the below link could be seen by 2024-2025, in the third great bull market in gold I have witness in my life time---that is if I make it to 2025. My minimum price objective is 5,000 $ an ounce.

Scroll to the 11 minute mark of this video for the Rickard's analysis of what he foresees for the the possible prices of gold. Silver, the poor man's (me) precious metal will follow gold in price increases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8cM6edYG4U

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:19 pm

Here is a 20 year monthly chart for the gold market. When the market closes on the weekly, followed by the monthly chart over 1,920 $ it will confirm a long term bull market for gold with much higher prices to come. If this happens--economic things could become even more bizarre (Pluto) with the Federal Reserve and Main Street. This Pandemic is a huge Wild Card and a major Economic X-Factor for the Federal Reserve! They have fired their last bullet with lower interest rates---has absolutely no effects any longer with Wall Street. I was told when I was 21 if I lived long enough--I would witness another Great Depression. Well, I can certainly see a clear fundamental reason for another economic Depression---this damn Pandemic! But the astrological heavens cares not what the fundamental reasons for a Depression. When its astrological Time for shit to happen--it happens!

https://www.barchart.com/futures/quotes ... tive-chart

heretic1906 · Post by **heretic1906** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:46 pm

Hello

Gann cycles are found in his novel from 1927 - Tunnel Thru The Air
https://archive.org/details/tunnelthrua ... n/mode/2up
The book is written in 1927 and is about an american-japanese war in the air between 1930 and 1932 (great depresion). Why Japan? Because NYSE Sun is in Taurus, and Japan is ruled by Venus.
Seems like the book is a great astrological puzzle

Sincerely yours

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:47 am

heretic wrote:

Gann cycles are found in his novel from 1927 - Tunnel Thru The Air

Yes, I have read this book 2-3 times and it becomes very obvious he is a great believer in repeating time cycles of all kinds.

Seems like the book is a great astrological puzzle

Indeed!!! I later discovered Gann was a proficient astrologer but did not really want this to be broadly publicized.
Welcome to the forum.

heretic1906 · Post by **heretic1906** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:35 am

Thanks

TTTA has 418 pages. 360+58=418
NYSE Sun is at 27 Taurus and some minutes, therefore Gann round it up to 58
Hope this helps

Sincerely yours

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:55 am

Heretic wrote:

TTTA has 418 pages. 360+58=418
NYSE Sun is at 27 Taurus and some minutes, therefore Gann round it up to 58
Hope this helps

Yes, using TTTA total page count as a simple count code for the position of NYSE Sun in the Tropical, it would confirm McWhirter's NYSE Chart as the same chart Gann used in his market work. What other Gann material have you seriously studied? And, do you have any other insights from TTTA confirming astrological/astronomical principles?

heretic1906 · Post by **heretic1906** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:22 am

Hello

I have read all his books and courses, but I have spent of lot of time reading TTTA. It seems like he dis not used sideral to me, only tropical. Look at page 36 as he tells you about Love andz if you check NYSE Venus, you will notice Venus at 6 Turus, therefore 36 in tropical

Sinecerly yours

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:00 am

Heretic wrote:

I have read all his books and courses, but I have spent of lot of time reading TTTA.

Very interesting. Back in the late 70s me and my cousin also spent a lot of time reading TTTA, but we were not versed in anything to do with astrology. We totally didn't know WTF or where Gann was coming from with a-lot of his wording and master time charts in his course material. Eventually my cousin hooked up with a very impressive female astrologer/tarot reader in Houston who recognized some of the Gann material as astrological in scope. She told my cousin if I made a trip to Houston she though she may be able to explain some astrological principles to me in order for me to pursue with all of the Gann material I had purchased. This thrust me on my life path for learning Astrology

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It seems like he did not used sidereal to me, only tropical.

Correct. Gann was using Tropical Dates for his Master Time Charts. But it should be understood Cyril Fagan (father of Sidereal Astrology) had not re-discovered the true Sidereal Zodiac in Gann's Days. Do you understand the applications of Gann's Tropical Sun Dates in markets with his Master Time/Price charts? If not, I can explain the tropical time dates.

Look at page 36 as he tells you about Love and if you check NYSE Venus, you will notice Venus at 6 Taurus, therefore 36 in tropical.

Many years ago I lent out two of my Gann books to a friend who suddenly died of a heart attack. Later when I contacted his wife to reacquire these two books, she said he had lent them out to someone else but did not know who that someone was

. One of the the books was TTTA. Now that I am more versed in astrological/astronomical principles—I need to reread TTTA—give me some time and I will get this book again, possibly to discover new things.

How long have you been studying Gann's books and courses? Are you a market trader/investor? If so, which markets?

heretic1906 · Post by **heretic1906** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:09 am

Hello

I love to learn more about Gann Tropical Sun Dates in markets with his Master Time/Price charts!
I trade only SP500. I start reading Gann in 2004

Sincerely yours

heretic1906 · Post by **heretic1906** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:14 am

I put a link to TTTA in my first post
It is said that Gann sent his book, back into 1927, to some astrologers in order to see if they can decode it. After they were not able to do it, he decided to publish his book.
As I said, this book is an astrological puzzle and it seems like astrologers are not able to figure out how to “read” it

Sincerely yours

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:17 pm

Thanks heretic---I will get back to you when I get my thoughts organized pertaining to our discussions.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:19 pm

heretic, do you have Gann's Square of Four Price and Time Chart?

heretic1906 · Post by **heretic1906** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:36 am

Egg chart? I think I do, but I do not believe too much in price methods. All indices and stocks turn at the same time, but have different values and percentages of up or down movements

Sincerely yours

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:05 am

heretic wrote:

Egg chart? I think I do, but I do not believe too much in price methods. All indices and stocks turn at the same time, but have different values and percentages of up or down movements

No, not the egg chart. With Gann's Full Course Materials, you should have a large size Square of Four Price and Time Chart. If not, you do not have Gann's most important course material. This Chart will have 24 Specific Dates on it beginning with the Spring Equinox Date of March 21, with the first price square in the middle of the chart beginning with the square of 2, which of course = 4. It took me months of much price and time research with DAILY charts to decode this chart, and my greatest discovery I ever made with the Gann material were his price and time charts where I discovered very fast volatile markets price were reversing price on a dime with these 24 dates. And, I only discovered the tip of the iceberg with Gann's vast market knowledge. Gann took this knowledge to his grave, except to the few fortunate ones who attended Gann's private teaching seminars. Without you looking at this Square of Four Chart, clearly seeing all 24 Dates and price numbers, I will not be able to further explain its usages for fast volatile markets.

Gann often stated he was inspired by writings from the Bible to work and discover the truths behind market movements. One of his favorites was:

Ecclesiastes 3:1-8: For everything there is a season...

The 24 Dates on Gann's Master Square of Four Price and Time Chart are the specific dates of a full year divided by 24, and are the specific seasons for the year. You should understand that in all the words in Gann's course material--not once did he explain how to use his Master Time/Price Charts for markets. Yet the scam artists selling Gann's writings no nothing about the real market timing truths Gann discovered with markets.

heretic1906 · Post by **heretic1906** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:22 am

Not this one?
https://www.wdgann.com/products/square- ... saw-puzzle

heretic1906 · Post by **heretic1906** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:54 am

I do not have it. I have with 16 divisions, not with 24. I presume he divided 365 by 24, therefore a 15 days increment starting with spring equinox

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:58 am

heretic, yes, a partial, but not a full one for further explanation. But its no big deal, probably would not suit your style of trading, its only used for long term swing trading which Gann stated was the best. For example: I used Gann's Master Square of Four Chart to exit a 3 year position in gold and silver stocks on Sept 23 1980 for the company which employed my services. This was a very important top in the precious metals sector. If I could post many DAILY charts from the past---it would prove to you that these 24 Gann dates have timed perfectly many major tops and bottoms in markets. It would prove Gann understood many natural laws pertaining to market movements.

I do not have it. I have with 16 divisions, not with 24. I presume he divided 365 by 24, therefore a 15 days increment starting with spring equinox

Exactly! Now that I no longer have my sports betting passion with Sidereal Mundane Astrology for key sporting events, I have turned my speculative attention back to the markets for myself and a few clients. Maybe I will see one of these dates top or bottom a market for a very important top or bottom. Would you happen to be connected to a reliable floor broker/trader in SP 500 Trading Pit?

heretic1906 · Post by **heretic1906** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:15 am

No, I do not know
If I understand right, master dates are something like 5 and 20 of every month?

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:04 pm

heretic asked:

If I understand right, master dates are something like 5 and 20 of every month?

Basically, yes. Gann's old Master Chart Dates needs to be adjusted slightly. Back in my days when I was supported with the resource of a large expense account from a company, this is the bottom line of my trading method for the company:

Only when markets are fast and volatile, I would simply use the Bullish/Bearish Consensus technical indicator when there was either 80% or more Bullish sentiment for a major short position or 20% Bullish or less Bullish sentiment for a major buy position . Then I would make the market be either at a new all time price high or at an extreme price low on an exact Gann Date from the Square of Four Chart. This worked beautifully for me and I became somewhat of a guru with the stockholders. But you must understand I had a valuable connection to a floor broker in the Soybean Pit on the CBOT through a daily squawk box at my local brokerage firm. This floor broker would relay to me when the big guys (commercial grain traders were taking major positions). This was possible because back in my glory days commissions on one contract traded was around 100 $, and if you traded enough volume my brokerage company gave me access to their top floor broker in the soybean pit. If you could get daily charts of the soybean markets from 1976-1982, I could show you how these Gann Dates traded to the exact tops for major tops in the Soybean Market in April 1977 and other major tops timed to the exact days of Gann Dates on his Master Time Charts. In fact, several years ago I think I posted some of these daily charts on this forum pointing out how the soybean and gold market were putting on major tops on these exact Gann Dates, but I think they were lost when Jim changed his forum to a new format.

Let me offer you an example for myself and a couple of my close friends: About a month ago we took a long position in the physical gold/silver market (coins). We are long time holders to at least 5,000 an ounce, BUT when the gold/silver market makes new all time highs I know through Gann's Master Dates, the market will have high % topping for a major top, and that will be when we take profits on our coin position. Does this make sense to you? You see, we are not trading paper positions, only physical coin positions.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:49 pm

The Oil market vibrates to the Square of Nine Dates, why? I don't know, only by many years of observation. The Oil market now is in a very oversold (bearish) condition. The next Date on Gann's Square of Nine Chart is Tuesday May 5. Allowing a partile 1 degree orb (3 days) lets watch closely Monday May 4th, Tuesday the 5th,or Wed the 6th for a major bottom. In order for this to have a possibility for a major bottom with this one particular Gann Date, the Oil market must be making a new price low on its weekly charts.

heretic1906 · Post by **heretic1906** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:49 pm

I got it.
Thank you!

shwh · Post by **shwh** » Sun May 17, 2020 9:12 am

Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:27 am So, is that what the Gann dates are? Twenty-four 15° multiples from the vernal point? I never did have a clue what they were and figured you'd tell us if anything clipped along

In other words, all Sun passes of 0° or 15° of the Tropical zodiac (another way to say the same thing I said above and not related to zodiacs as such)?

Lorne Johndro who was reputed to be Gann's 'Astrologer' was a big proponent of 15* aspects - the so called 'hour angles' of a chart.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon May 18, 2020 9:14 am

shwh wrote:

Lorne Johndro who was reputed to be Gann's 'Astrologer' was a big proponent of 15* aspects - the so called 'hour angles' of a chart.

All I know for sure: 80% of the TIME--- MAJOR market tops & bottoms are happening with preciseness on Gann's Dates surrounding his spiral Price & Time charts. The only way for the mind to prove this is with a rigorous methodology-- go through dozens of different daily price charts covering years of daily price data. And then: When you see a major top or bottom—you will note they are happening ON the Gann Dates with his Master Time & Price Charts. Just as “Timing is Everything” in an individual's life is proven by Sidereal Astrology with an AA rated timed birth; “Timing is Everything” with the Price (Major Tops/Bottoms) of a given commodity. There are natural laws governing price movements ending and beginning on the Gann Dates.

A most recent example of this occurred recently in the Oil Market. On April 21 the Oil Market bottomed on a Gann Date. The Mind can only see/prove this by looking at a daily price chart of the Oil Market.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon May 18, 2020 9:20 am

So, to state it more usably for most people here, since you are looking for days Sun is 0° or 15° of a Tropical sign, with the SVP currently at 4°59' Pisces, you are looking for tops or bottoms on one of the two days every month when Sun is at Sidereal 10° or 25° of any sign, yes?

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon May 18, 2020 9:57 am

you are looking for tops or bottoms on one of the two days every month when Sun is at Sidereal 10° or 25° of any sign, yes?

Yes, but it should be clearly stated: Major Tops and Bottoms occurring ON these Gann Dates are usually years apart--unless the market is moving very fast in PRICE--then they occur months apart ON these Gann Dates. But again, can only be proven by looking at a daily price chart. The 15 degree separation in these Gann Dates begin at 0 degrees at the Vernal Equinox totaling 24 dates, which Gann labeled his Even Squared Chart using only Even numbers to Square. Gann had other Master Time & Price Charts dividing the 360 Circle by 16 dates instead of 24 dates (note: no zodiac used with 16 dates), which he labeled the Odd Squared Chart using only Odd numbers to Square. Gann said some markets vibrate to the even numbers--some to odd numbers. Gann repeatedly said: Major Market Tops and Bottoms occur when Price & Time Square each other in Number, by calculating from either a daily, weekly, monthly chart, or rarely from a yearly chart.

I really don't believe Gann was interested in a Zodiac per-say, only interested in the Seasonal Dates marked (beginning) from the Spring Equinox.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:43 am

From the Wall Street Journal:

The U.S. economy could take the better part of a decade to fully recover from the coronavirus pandemic and related shutdowns, a U.S. budget agency said, as a series of surveys pointed to continuing weakness in global manufacturing.

The above words echo to me the US Economy/Stock Market is in a repeating 90 year cycle from the 1930s. IMO, the beginnings/timings of these 90 year crises Cycles are clearly symbolized by two main astrological factors; When: 1: Solar Arc Pluto is directed to the Primary Angles of the USA Boyd Chart. 2: Solar Arc Ascendant of the McWhirter Chart times partile 90 degree phases (90 years) to McWhirter's Sun at 5,22 Taurus.

If this is true, the Stock Market will make new lows from the March 23rd 2020 low (app 18,500) at some point in the 2020s, before it will make new highs 29,500 in the 2020s. It is interesting to note when the Stock Market collapsed in the autumn of 1929, it rallied in price for 5 months (Nov 13 1929-April 1930) before turning down again, but did not make final lows for the decade of the 1930s until 1932.

Wall Street Journal article about the severity of what is happening to World Economies from the Pandemic:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/decline-in ... 1591006623

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:51 am

Obviously, we now find ourselves living in unprecedented times with Covid-19 and the Country divided with all kinds of unpleasant issues. I have stated I believe the Country is repeating a 90 year cycle of economic bad times. 2020-90 years = 1930 (Great Depression Era). IMO, I have isolated the cause of this repeating 90 year cycle of bad times with Solar Arc Pluto in the Boyd Chart coming to the angles of the Boyd Chart.

Here is what is happening on the NYSE. The Federal Reserve is buying most all corporate bonds on the NYSE for the Corporations who need financial aid. This acts as a prop for the NYSE, kinda like a Dam holding back flood waters. Smart $ interest world wide are now buying heavily Precious Metals Markets, because they probably know the US Federal Reserve are going to have to shift Trillions on their balance sheets trying to prevent the Dow (NYSE) from collapsing again. Gold this morning made new all time highs. Corporate America is in deep do-do with the financial crises (Pluto) Covid has brought to the World. Lets hope the Federal Reserve can keep the Dam from breaking! If they fail, the NYSE will collapse deeper and faster than when it began its collapse in Feb 2020. I hope for the best but prepare as best I can for the worst, preparing in a manner if I am wrong in my thinking, I want hurt myself or the people close to me.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:21 am

As I'm sure you know, Steve, Saturn is back in orb of the Capsolar MC and Mars will be squaring transiting Saturn and Capsolar MC in about a month.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:45 am

Jim wrote:

As I'm sure you know, Steve, Saturn is back in orb of the Capsolar MC and Mars will be squaring transiting Saturn and Capsolar MC in about a month.

Indeed Jim! And I fear the worst being born with a partile mundo Saturn-Pluto conjunction. I just don't know what the worst will be. If the worst manifests economically, well....

But, I do know this: Matthew e-mailed me the day you opened your forum (many moons ago) and instructed me to try to get you to explain Bradley's Sidereal Mundane Ingress Charts to me and that was my main priority for joining this forum. I commend you for your most excellent teaching instructions with Sidereal Mundane Astrology.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:53 am

FWIW
A major technical signal occurred in the Gold Market yesterday. The Gold market closed on the monthly charts at new all time highs. Expect much higher prices in the coming months with deep shake-out corrections which should be bought if a speculator.

As I have stated several times, I am a big believer in the 90 year cycle repeating itself in the NYSE. 2020-90 years = 1930, the beginnings of the Great Depression with high(er) unemployment. After the hard sell-off in the NYSE in the autumn of 1929, the market rallied for 5 months. After the hard sell-off in the NYSE in Feb-March 2020, the NYSE bottomed on March 23 2020 with rallying prices. Aug 23 2020 will mark a 5 month period for rallying prices in the NYSE. Only if I see the NYSE rise over 27,500 between now and Labor Day weekend, I will become interested in shorting the NYSE a couple of days before Labor Day weekend with expectations of another Bear wave in the NYSE beginning soon after Labor Day weekend. On Sept 5th the Boyd Chart has a brutal DSLR beginning-- along with very malefic indicators with Sidereal Mundane Astrology this autumn. The Federal Reserve is exercising all of their financial central bank power to prevent another collapse in the NYSE. It may work, only TIME knows for sure.

Historically, higher Gold prices usually is a negative indicator for the NYSE. Financially, the Country is in very perilous times.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:02 am

SteveS wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:53 am Historically, higher Gold prices usually is a negative indicator for the NYSE. Financially, the Country is in very perilous times.

Agreed. - The equation I have stored in my brain is that higher gold prices usually mean lower relative value of the U.S. dollar internationally. This isn't invariable because we haven't been on a gold standard for about 50 years, but in terms of where people are putting their money, higher valuation of gold tends to mean devaluation of the dollar.

I haven't looked at recent indices of the dollar, but I suspect this is so right now.

A "cheaper" dollar isn't entirely bad. In the short run it means that foreign goods are proportionately more expensive than U.S. goods, though I'm not sure how much that matters (for sale of domestic goods) in a COVID-19 world. In any case, it isn't sustainable in the long run because it means that American sellers receive less of the world's goods / value than non-American sellers. - But things are so terrible for them right now (farmers, manufacturers) that a short-term burst in sales volume might be more useful now (with all of its secondary advantages) than higher prices right now.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:14 am

Jim wrote:

I haven't looked at recent indices of the dollar, but I suspect this is so right now.

Exactly Jim! The technical chart of the dollar looks very weak, some think it is getting ready to fall off a cliff with its world wide value as the world's reserve currency. Why? Because of graphs of the M1 & M2 money supply zooming up created by the Federal Reserve endeavoring to save Corporate America with the economic onslaught caused by this Pandemic. As of now, graphs (trends) of worldwide cases are still showing infected cases of Covid-19 still increasing.

As you know (thanks to you), I have been doing some intense research with my newly discovered Uranian Astrology material. Here are a couple of Uranian Astrology facts/factors I have recently discovered pertaining strictly to this TIMED NYSE CHART:

1: Feb 27 2021 (exact): d NYSE Saturn 180 the # 1 r Uranian factor symbolizing "Commerce & Trade".
This compares to Nov 15 1931 when d NYSE Saturn (exact) 90 the same r Uranian factor.

2: May 9th 2021 (exact) The # 1 Uranian factor symbolizing acute “Ruin & Loss” d 90 r Node (“connections”/investors in NYSE).
This compares to the same 180 (exact) Jan 27 1932.

These two above statistical historical Uranian Astrology facts/factors compared along with the destructive potential of the 2021 Capsolar....

And—the Great Depression 90 years ago did not have to contend with a Worldwide Pandemic! I have lived long enough and studied astrology long enough to KNOW when prominent malefic astrological cycles are due to occur--”Shit Happens,” and that is all I need to know to prepare my wife/I, family, close friends, few clients for a possible worse case scenario. I always put a lot of faith in my natural born successful creative activity with the astrology I have learned---and Sidereal Astrology is at the top of my astrological capabilities.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:32 am

SteveS wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:14 am ...the dollar looks very weak, some think it is getting ready to fall off a cliff with its world wide value as the world's reserve currency.

This touches on what I've thought, for several years, is the greatest vulnerability to the U.S. economy: The dollar has long been the de facto basis of other economies around the world, keeping us in a central place of their calculations. But the Chines want their renminbi to take the dollar's place.

If the dollar gets weaker and less stable, at some point this will happen. When it does, the U.S. dollar will become a satellite of Chinese currency.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:43 am

SteveS wrote:

...the dollar looks very weak, some think it is getting ready to fall off a cliff with its world wide value as the world's reserve currency.

Jim responded:

This touches on what I've thought, for several years, is the greatest vulnerability to the U.S. economy: The dollar has long been the de facto basis of other economies around the world, keeping us in a central place of their calculations. But the Chines want their renminbi to take the dollar's place. If the dollar gets weaker and less stable, at some point this will happen. When it does, the U.S. dollar will become a satellite of Chinese currency.

A very interesting point Jim. This raises the question in my mind: If the US still has the largest reserve supply of Gold in the World---then we have to consider the ancient saying: "Who has the Gold--ultimately rules". Another question in my mind : If the US economy is going to slip into a repeating 90 year Depression---then can the Chinese economy support itself without economic demand from the US???

If the US still has the World's largest hoard of Gold---then I would think the US would ultimately still be in the drivers seat, economically speaking. There are some who believe the US achieved its world economic powers with the discovery of its gold in the 1800s. If the US still has the world's largest hoard of Gold--then an increase in price could ultimately serve the best interest of the US. But, for now, all of this is besides the point---the US is now in perilous financial times with what Sidereal Mundane Astrology is telling us (thanks to you) with this Pandemic. I see this Pandemic, economically speaking, as a huge Wild Card---something the US has never faced as a World Power--as well as the rest of the World. But the World survived the Flu Pandemic of 1918???

Regardless, I still rest my case on the repeating 90 year economic cycle I see in the Boyd Chart with Solar Arc Pluto coming to its r Asc. But I also still have more economic questions than answers---I am very concerned, with possible economic ramifications. IMO, the best guide we have is the 2021 Capsolar for the worst of the worst happening. We need to see where the Country stands economically at the end of the 2021 Capsolar. It may be the Federal Reserve can hold things together economically until 2021 Capsolar ends? But, in the meantime, I fear for the inequality of the working people vs the elite wealthy. Kamala Harris is a great believer in instituting some type of Universal Income for saving the small working people of this Country. Without a doubt---something has to be done---if not---as usual, the deprived working people of this Country/Any Country gets clobbered, economically. Without a doubt, with Covid and what is happening economically this election is most important!

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:21 am

Steve, I know you know these dynamics, but I'm posting this for anyone else looking in. The link below is to an article in The Wine Economist that primarily is talking about fluctuating dollar values and the impact on the domestic wine industry, but addresses this by talking about the larger, macroeconomic picture in terms of currency fluctuations.

https://wineeconomist.com/2020/08/04/dollar/

The second link is from Bloomberg. It's a more direct discussion of what's happening to the dollar. The graph alone is worth the article. It also makes clear why the election is important to the larger economic picture.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... p-on-virus

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:13 am

Excellent links Jim. It is obvious to me if this Pandemic worsens Gold will continue to rise and the $ will continue its decline. Even before the Pandemic hit, I was telling a couple of my clients who are speculators/investors that 2021 was a very dangerous year for financial markets. I was able to tell em this because of the faith I put in the very malefic 2021 Capsolar!

IF the 2021 Capsolar is directly symbolizing a much worsening Pandemic, then obviously we can expect a much worsening economy, which will require much more monetary support from the Federal Reserve and the same from a united US Government on fiscal policy to support the people of the USA.

As I have repeatedly stated, I believe the USA has entered a 90 year Crises/Depression Cycle with my faith I put in the 90 year Solar Arc Pluto Cycle directed to the the radical angles of the Boyd Chart. But, what I don't know for sure: Can a strong and powerful Federal Reserve save the US economy??? 90 years ago in the Great Depression the US did not have a strong/powerful proactive Federal Reserve. One of my best gauges for knowing if today's Federal Reserve can save the US economy will be what happens in the NYSE this Autumn. As you and I both know, the Sidereal Mundane Cycles for this Autumn are awful/malefic. If the NYSE can continue to trend-up this Autumn, this will go a long way in telling me today's policies of Federal Reserve may save the US economy from further deterioration, even into 2021 with the malefic Capsolar. Using the 90 year Pluto cycle from the Boyd Chart the NYSE should experience an onslaught of deteriorating prices again this Autumn, even worse so than the first onslaught of deteriorating prices last Feb/Mar, imo. Solar Arc Pluto is exact cnj Boyd's Asc this Nov. Time will soon tell.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:48 am

SteveS wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:13 am But, what I don't know for sure: Can a strong and powerful Federal Reserve save the US economy???

I think the Fed has already been doing this, i.e., if it weren't for the Fed we'd have caved in before now. They've been doing their job.

The question is... how long can they keep doing it effectively?

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:07 am

SteveS wrote:

But, what I don't know for sure: Can a strong and powerful Federal Reserve save the US economy???

Jim responded:

I think the Fed has already been doing this, i.e., if it weren't for the Fed we'd have caved in before now. They've been doing their job. The question is... how long can they keep doing it effectively?

Indeed! I have posted Solar Arcs for the chart of the Federal Reserve, which shows powerful Arcs for them acting/doing anything within their power to save the economy with corporate America/Central Banks. Indeed, they have been doing their job and if it wasn't for the Fed--Corporate America would already have bitten the dust for some time. IMO, the wild card is: Will this Pandemic worsen and if the Fed can keep the NYSE from collapsing to new lows below the March 23 2020 low at app 18,500. If we see new NYSE lows below 18,500 by the end of 2021, the US will be in a long protracted economic contraction, imo.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:03 am

Just finished a phone conversation with a friend who is close to DC goings-on. She said never in her entire life has she seen where the Dems & Reps are making $ promises to their base voters---trying to buy the election. At this moment the Stock/Gold market actions are saying the Reps are going to win the election, but.....

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:58 pm

When Gold made a new all time high in March 2008 on its monthly charts, from its previous all time high of 850 $ made on Jan 20 1980, a Gann Sun Date measured from the Spring Equinox, the Gold Market had a quick 250 $ correction. Last Friday Aug 7. another Gann Sun Date measured from the Spring Equinox, the Gold Market made a daily high at 2089 $ and has already corrected back to 1,920 $, the previous all time high on the monthly charts made Sept 2011. It is normal for a market making a new all time high on the monthly charts to experience quick price corrections. However, if the Gold market closes below 1900 on the monthly charts at the end of Aug-- this will be a monthly reversal, a serious technical reversal. With the financial/political/pandemic climates we are living in---NOTHING will surprise me anymore. We are living in a MAD MAD MAD WORLD. Again I state with all the malefic symbolism on the Sidereal Mundane Charts beginning this Autumn---one would expect the NYSE to get slammed again with a rising Gold Market on the monthly charts. Time will tell--it always does.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:04 pm

Yesterday was the exact Saturn transit to Capsolar MC.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:23 pm

And if my memory is serving me, I think this Saturn transit stays partile for a long time.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:28 pm

SteveS wrote: Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:23 pm And if my memory is serving me, I think this Saturn transit stays partile for a long time.

It will be a really hard year.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:38 pm

It will be a really hard year

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Indeed! And it could get rougher for first quarter of 2021.

shwh · Post by **shwh** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:49 am

Steve have been reading thru this thread w great interest and just discovered that the NYSE H of 29551 on 2/12/20 converts to 117*43' which is of course 27*Can 43'. This makes it almost exactly sextile the 5/17/1792 Su. Assume you have the formula for converting price to degrees but if not , let me know and I'll post.

really enjoy your work.

best,
Sean