2024 Prez Election

[SteveS]

DC’s Aug 17 Caplunar.

[Veronica]

Steve, Your comments on Biden are very striking. Have you ever explored your personal synastry with Biden? I had a feeling that the synastry from Biden was not emphasizing beneficial aspects, and I am curious if you explore your personal synastry charts with others to better understand your personal charts. With such a synastry like you have with Biden it's no wonder you are concerned about his state of mind and capabilities.
I personally try to explore my synastry with people when I feel strongly, and I think this practice has enriched my understanding of myself and others and relationships in general. YMMV.

[SteveS]

V, please feel free to offer your opinions/conclusions on my synastry with Biden, but I think you should do it in the Synastry Topic. What pains me the most about Biden’s cognitive situation is it reminds me what I went through with my Mother with her cognitive situation, so sad. Also, it puts the fear of time in my mind realizing one day I may see a double whammy of Neptune on a future SSR and start running into serious cognitive situations like Biden with his current double whammy of Neptune with his current SSR. At 77 years of age this type possibility becomes a worrisome issue. This thread is about the 2024 Prez election which has turned into a most bizarre historical situation, obviously going to be the event of the year and probably go down into history as the most talked about Prez Election in history.

If Biden steps down, I think the DNC delegates should vote Whitmer (Governor of Michigan) as their candidate. I think she will give Trump a serious run for all of his donation $ for Prez. Anyway, no matter what happens soon, its going to be very interesting.

[Jim Eshelman]

Jim, check me out here with my labeling for this type planetary picture for DC’s Aug 17, 2024 Caplunar. I see in ML with TM:

Venus 1,1
Saturn 180,32
Neptune 360, 0

All 3 within 3 degrees on the Vx-Av axis. Is this planetary picture what we would label a triple Paran of Venus-Saturn-Neptune on the Vx-Av axis, with Neptune 99% angular?

TM calculates this as August 17, 2024, 13:28:28 UT (9:28:28 AM EDT). I'm using the standard TM coordinates for Washington, DC: 38N53'42" 77W02'12".

Considered conventionally. the only thing it has is a close Neptune angularity. 2°06' past Descendant. I do not get Venus close enough to the prime vertical - its azimuth is 93°36' - but I do get Saturn there, with azimuth 272°10'. We don't need to go to ML at all because this is a PVP conjunction (not a square): Saturn azimuth 272°10', Neptune azimuth 269°50', gives a 2°20' conjunction.

But. since Neptune is not only on Vertex but also on Descendant, is there also a Saturn-Neptune square? This is complicated because it's a matter of definition more than geometry. While experimenting with these, my working rules have been "if you find a PVP conjunction or opposition, stop looking." I don't think we're anywhere near ready to ask whether we should always take the one closest of several kinds of simultaneous aspects. However, if we did, we would proceed as you did:

360°00' - Neptune ML
180°32' - Saturn ML

Therefore, the two planets that we already identified as having a 2°20' PVP conjunction (measured in azimuth) also could be said to have a 0°32' PVP square (measured in ML).

Venus isn't in the mix, though.

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA     Decl   Azi     Alt      ML     PVL    Ang G
Mo  0Cp 0' 0"  4S55 +14°12' 298° 1' 25S57 292°18' -64°17' 218°14' 114° 1'  51%   
Su  0Le 2'50"  0S 0 +57'40" 147°25' 13N 9 101°37' +34°35'   7°54' 324°52'   6%   
Me  2Le48'48"  4S41 -51'20" 148°27'  7N48 105°42' +30°23'   9° 1' 328°39'   0%   
Ve 20Le12'48"  1N22 + 1°14' 167° 0'  7N 4  93°36' +15°42'   1° 1' 344°16'  46%   
Ma 23Ta29' 3"  0S20 +38'43"  77°36' 22N36 220° 5' +69°51'  64°23' 256°43'  59%   
Ju 22Ta 1'55"  0S42 + 8'53"  76° 4' 22N 7 222°38' +68°40'  62° 2' 255°11'  51%   
Sa 22Aq32' 2"  2S 9 - 4' 3" 349°27'  6S53 272°10' -13°40' 180°32' 166°19'  57% Vx
Ur  2Ta 4'37"  0S16 + 0'45"  54°56' 19N16 248°42' +52°53'  25°38' 234°48'   6%   
Ne  4Pi18'47"  1S19 - 1'18" 359°58'  1S27 269°50' - 2° 6' 360° 0' 177°54'  99% D 
Pl  5Cp12'35"  3S15 - 1'16" 303°15' 23S16 290°45' -58°53' 210°24' 119°27'  50%   

[Jim Eshelman]

I won't write my full interpretations of the next two months of ingresses until just before they start - and they have to be considered in context of the Bridge and whatever events unfold beginning around July 15. Nonetheless, here is a quick run-through of the DC lunar ingresses. Notice that every single ingress is malignant: toxic, deceptive, possibly deadly, easily scandalous, and demoting or overthrowing.

2024 July 20 CAPLUNAR
Neptune on Asc 2°06'
Saturn more widely foreground
-- Saturn/Neptune on angle 0°47'
Moon-Sun op 0°23' M

2024 July 27 ARILUNAR (Dormant.)

2024 July 27 BIDEN SLR
r Neptune on MC 1°37'
t Jupiter on Dsc 2°25'
t Neptune on IC 4°57'
r Saturn on Dsc 5°42'
-- t Neptune sq r Saturn 0°45' M
-- t Jupiter sq r Neptune 0°49'
-- t Jupiter-Neptune sq 2°31' M
-- t Jupiter co r Saturn 2°33'
-- t Neptune op r Neptune 2°54'

2024 August 3 CANLUNAR
Saturn on Asc 1°59'
Venus and Neptune widely foreground
-- Venus/Neptune on angle 0°05'
-- Venus sq non-foreground Uranus 0°37'
-- Venus co non-foreground Mercury 1°03' M
Moon-Mars sq 2°08' M
Moon-Pluto op 3°45' M

2024 August 10 LIBLUNAR
Mars on MC 1°12'
Saturn on Dsc 2°20'
Jupiter on Z 0°59'
Venus widely angular
-- Sun-Mercury co 0°08' p
-- Sun-Saturn sq 0°11' p
-- Mercury-Saturn sq 0°21' p
-- Jupiter-Saturn sq 1°00' M
-- Mars-Saturn sq 1°09' M
-- Sun-Venus sq 1°13' p
-- Venus-Saturn sq 1°24' p
-- Mars-Jupiter co 2°03'
-- Venus/Saturn on angle 0°17'
-- Venus co non-foreground Mercury 1°49' M

2024 August 10 BIDEN DEMI-SLR
r Jupiter on N 0°08'
t Moon on Dsc 1°05' [r Moon on Asc 7°00']

2024 August 17 CAPLUNAR
Neptune on Dsc 2°06'
-- Saturn-Neptune sq 0°32' p

2024 August 23 ARILUNAR (Dormant.) Moon-Pluto sq 0°34' M

2024 August 23 BIDEN SLR
r Sun on Dsc 0°19'
t Uranus on Asc 0°24'
r Venus on Dsc 1°19'
r Mercury on Dsc 3°06'
r Uranus on Asc 3°57'
r Pluto on IC 6°00'
-- t Uranus op r Sun 0°42' M
-- r Sun-Venus co 1°00'
-- t Uranus op r Venus 1°43'
-- r Uranus-Pluto sq 2°03' M
-- r Venus-Uranus sq 2°38' M
-- t Uranus op r Mercury 2°42' M

2024 August 30 CANLUNAR (Dormant.)

2024 September 6 LIBLUNAR
Neptune on N 0°16'
Mars on Dsc 2°10'
Moon & Jupiter more widely angular
-- Mars-Neptune sq 2°17'

2024 September 7 BIDEN DEMI-SLR
t Uranus on MC 0°36'
r Sun on IC 2°03'
t Mercury on EP 0°48'
r Venus on IC 3°10'
r Mercury on IC 4°06'
-- t Mercury sq r Mercury 0°08' M
-- t Mercury-Uranus sq 0°16'
-- r Sun-Venus co 1°00'
-- t Mercury sq r Sun 1°12'
-- t Uranus op r Sun 1°26' M
-- t Mercury sq r Venus 2°11'
-- t Uranus op r Venus 2°27'

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

Notice that every single ingress is malignant: toxic, deceptive, possibly deadly, easily scandalous, and demoting or overthrowing.

Indeed!
Thanks Jim, this helps with my learning curves. I want to compare the possible manifestations for Chicago’s Aug 17 Caplunar with DNC along with DCs Aug 17 Caplunar. I expect Biden to step down by the end of the week, and then I want to pay close attention to what will be happening with the processes up to and through the DNC.

If I understand correctly, you only allow a maximum orb for mundane planets on Vx-Av axis of 3 degrees, correct?

[Jim Eshelman]

Yes, planets within 3° of Vx/Av in azimuth.

[SteveS]

Very interesting new numbers:
Trump -210
Biden +300
Harris +450

[Jim Eshelman]

Very interesting new numbers:
Trump -210
Biden +300
Harris +450

Biden again more likely to be elected than Harris... Which makes sense, given that he's doubled down on insisting he's running.

Also interesting thst Trump lost some ground.

[SteveS]

Trump never scored any points in the debate and the numbers prove it, its only that Biden lost points in the debate, but not that much. Before the debate Trump was -200 and Biden was -105, Trump only a slight favorite.

[Jim Eshelman]

Since you are tracking these numbers, I have an idea for a test to see how one trusted astrological technique parallels (or not) changes in the odds.

I'll apply my rating system for lunar returns to each of Biden's SLRs and Demi-SLRs through the end of the year. Note that ALL of these should be tipped more negative (malefic) than they first seem because of his triple-malefic SSR. Nonetheless, perhaps changes within this list will show Biden's poll or gambling odds fluctuations. (I'm not sure I can do this for Trump because he lives so many different places.)

SLR Jun 6
Benefic = 14, Malefic = 7
Dignity = 10, Indignity = 4

Demi-SLR Jun 17 [the debate]
Malefic = 5, Benefic = 1
Indignity = 5, Indignity = 1

SLR Jun 30
Malefic = 8, Benefic = 0
Indignity = 8, Indignity = 0

Demi-SLR Jul 14
Malefic = 10, Benefic = 3
Change = 5
Indignity = 0, Indignity = 0

SLR Jul 27
Indignity = 11, Indignity = 5
Malefic = 7, Benefic = 5

Demi-SLR Aug 11 [the convention]
Dignity = 6, Dignity = 0
Benefic = 6, Malefic = 0
Spotlight = 6

SLR Aug 24
Change = 12
Benefic = 10, Malefic = 1
Dignity = 6, Indignity = 0
Spotlight = 6

Demi-SLR Sep 7
Benefic = 7, Malefic = 0
Change = 7
Dignity = 5, Indignity = 0
Spotlight = 5

SLR Sep 20
[no scores worth reporting]

Demi-SLR Oct 4
Benefic = 12, Malefic = 7
Dignity = 9, Indignity = 7
Change = 6

SLR Oct 17
Spotlight = 8
Benefic = 7, Malefic = 3
Dignity = 4, Indignity = 0

Demi-SLR Oct 31 [the election]
Spotlight = 11
Malefic = 3, Benefic = 0
Dignity = 3, Indignity = 0

SLR Nov 14
Spotlight = 8
Change = 7
Malefic = 6, Benefic = 0
Dignity = 0, Indignity = 0

Demi-SLR Nov 28
Spotlight = 9
Dignity = 9, Indignity = 4
Benefic = 8, Malefic = 4
Change = 6

SLR Dec 11
Spotlight = 9
Malefic = 5, Benefic = 1
Dignity = 0, Indignity = 0

Demi-SLR Dec 25
Spotlight = 11
Dignity = 11, Indignity = 6
Benefic = 5, Malefic = 3

SLR Jan 8 (2025) [the inauguration]
[NOTE: Despite all the other negatives suggesting Biden can't win, compare this demi to Trump's demi for Washington for the inauguration. They give the opposite view.]
Benefic = 15, Malefic = 0
Change = 6
Dignity = 3, Indignity = 0

Demi-SLR Jan 21 (2025) [the next day]
Indignity = 4, Dignity = 0
Malefic = 4, Benefic = 2

[SteveS]

[SteveS]

IMO, if the Democratic Party does not quickly come up with a plan to have an open new primary race for a new Prez Candidate at their DNC, somehow persuading Biden to resign his candidacy, then this tells me the Party does not actually see/believe Trump as a threat to democracy nor the Supreme Court. There is no way Biden after his cognitive debate performance has a chance to win the Prez if he is still running against Trump on Election night, and the Dem Party knows this as a fact. At the very least let Harris have her shot vs Trump. In other words, media hyped Prez election are mainly BS for their chosen audiences creating hate/divisions among Americans, putting $ in the big corporate owned media outlets, as well as huge amounts of $ in the Party's coffers from their donors. This could be the main reason why the real truth of Biden's cognitive decline was covered-upped from the public at large, in order to fill their Party's coffers with campaign $. Its all about power, and power corrupts.

[sidus_illuminans]

Steve, I think you hit the nail on the head with this assessment. The reality you're describing is becoming increasingly difficult to deny these days. We need more options, preferably those without dubious interests. Hoping divisive rhetoric from all sides comes to an end soon.

[SteveS]

Thanks for the feedback sidus. By the new betting odds it appears for now the read on this bizarre political situation is the Democratic Party is somewhat trapped with Biden as their candidate, Biden is telling his Party members who want him to step down: Screw you, no way I am stepping down.

Trump -225
Biden +225
Harris +650

This tells me the Party realizes/knows they are better off with Biden than Harris for winning vs Trump.

[Jim Eshelman]

Trump -225
Biden +225
Harris +650

This tells me the Party realizes/knows they are better off with Biden than Harris for winning vs Trump.

These are odds of who will win the election, right? In that case, I disagree with your interpretation. I don't think the change reflects a preference. I think it's just that, at the moment, it appears that Biden will be the candidate; therefore, the odds are naturally better that Biden will win the election than that Harris will.

[SteveS]

Yes Jim—who will win the election. I think this latest significant shift in odds are also reflecting the odds makers now know with high % Biden will not resign his nomination, and the Party as a whole will not pursue the matter any further. This kinda reminds me when the Republican Party with their top leaders went to Nixon and told him to resign because he had lost the support of their Party as a whole, so Nixon resigned over the scandal of Watergate. In this case with Biden, it appears the top leaders of the Democratic Party are not going to ask Biden to resign over his cognitive disabilities. They obviously feel Biden has a better chance for the Party as a whole than with Harris. I think if there is going to be another major pivot in this election with Biden, it will happen when the upcoming Mars-Uranus conjunction---conjuncts Capsolar Asc, but it could be any kind of Mars-Uranus event. 4 months to go to election night so we will see how the odds continue to unfold.

[SteveS]

Latest odds:
Trump -275
Biden +300
Harris +600

[SteveS]

Latest before Biden's Press Conference:
Trump -250
Harris +350
Biden +450

[Jim Eshelman]

That's interesting!

Today's news cycle? The George Clooney effect?

[SteveS]

Good questions Jim, I don’t know but I am like you---“that’s interesting.” Has enough heat been put on Biden to announce tonight he will step aside? And if he does not step aside---what's next?

[Jim Eshelman]

All I can say is that his SLRs have been capturing this. His two-week charts for several months have been showing a mostly good time with increasing burdens and wearing on his health; and then about three months in a row of the charts being really bad. He's in the middle of that right now. I think it's one of the clearest tide changes that has been closely tracked.

I think a big change - a line crossed - was in April. Look at these lunars:
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=8380&p=58854#p58855

Part of what I anticipated during that month:

This is not violent like the first half of the month. It's merely difficult and burdensome. Historically, Biden has responded to natal Saturn angular by confronting his own shortcomings, sometimes pulling back for a bit and often pushing to address what he thinks are his failures and weaknesses. There will be a lot of confronting personal shortcomings during this time.

I called his March 12 SLR "one of his last unequivocally good charts for 2024."
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=8308&p=58427#p58428

By June 3 I wrote words that seem much more meaningful now than then (especially the last sentence):

...his natal Saturn rises and natal Mars is on Westpoint. I don't think this means that he shows up ready to work hard and struggle valiantly for what he wants. (He always does that.) I think it means that what he now attempts is, to him, more of a struggle - feels more like hard work - is more arduous and difficult than in the past. Despite angular Suns, this is not a strong chart for his health. Background Moon closely conjunct Mars and square Pluto taxes his immune system. Age seems to catch up to him this month.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote with one his past forecasts about Biden:

Age seems to catch up to him this month.

Watching Biden’s mental episodes reminds me so much what I went through with my Mother caring for her the last 3 years of her life. From day to day---I never knew what mental displays from her to expect, only that a day would not go by without bizarre slips in her memory with lots of brain fog. But most of the time her mind worked rationally—then at times she would slip mentally into complete forgetfulness of normal things, and she knew her mind was rapidly leaving her. She asked me several times for me to figure out a way to end her life.

Listening to Biden last night on his Presser, I think the only way now he will step down will be at the DNC if his delegates turn on him, but I don’t understand enough about the processes for the DNC to know if this is even possible/allowable. Its Chicago’s Caplunar which intuits my mind to think the DNC will be an “outstanding incident.” I will post new odds when they come out later this morning.

[Jim Eshelman]

I read a detailed article yesterday on the existing DNC rules, the history, the language regarding all the convention proceedings and options... and was going to post a link except I can't remember where I read it. (I suspect either NY Times or CNN.) The reporter interviewed someone at the Brookings institute that is an expert in such things.

The bottom line is: It's almost impossible for him not to et the nomination unless he withdraws.

Technically, all of his delegates are sworn to vote for him on the first ballot, and that first ballot will decide the issue. Done deal.

There is one other possibility: All of this conjecture is based on the current, existing DNC rules. Those rules can be changed at any time by a simple majority vote of the DNC. On the other hand, Biden's delegates are not only pledged to him, the word is that they are enormously in favor of him (no surprise) so the chances of changing rules just so they can NOT vote for him is unlikely barring a far worse catastrophe than we already have.

[Jim Eshelman]

I've had a strange thought lately. It might be a form of wishful thinking (not that I wish Biden harm in any way). It's a brooding but likely idle thought. I'll say it so that it might get out of my head.

What if... we've been reading Biden's solar returns all wrong. From his current and upcoming SSR the almost universal agreement is these are so bad, so degrading, diminishing, tragic, and demoting, that there is no way he can win. Aside from all the questions that have been with us all year approaching this election, the one certainty has been that there is no damn way Biden can win the election.

But... what if the SSRs are not talking about the election? What if their primary message concerns his physical and mental health?

I think nobody would disagree that what has happened so far - and what will happen to him personally in the months to come - fully expresses these Saturn-Neptune themed returns. If he managed to stay in and win the election, if would be embarrassing to us for saying there's no f'ing way he can win, but we'd probably all be satisfied that the SSRs have been exactly on track. The year has already been bad, degrading, diminishing, tragic, and demoting.

His lunars for the election aren't horrible (and Harris' SSR just before the election is excellent if she's in Washington the morning after her birthday). His SLR for the inauguration is out-and-out happy (though the demi the next day is weird). Trump's returns for inauguration are horrible - really miserable - so that it's easy for me to see Harris' nomination just because her charts are solidly good and Trump Demi-SLR is solidly miserable. Trumps November 5 SLR for the election is harder to assess because we don't know where he will be, but in November he tends to live in Florida: For Mar-a-Lago he does have a really happy, victorious, celebrating SLR November 5. If he's set up camp in Washington, the SLR is still more positive than not - some real winning indication - but it's weirder. (He'll probably be in Florida.)

So, election charts suggest Trump will win (or at least be crazy happy), though inauguration charts suggest he won't be nominated (or at least will be suffering).

Therefore my mind keeps returning to the question: Is it possible Biden's solar returns are not about the election but very much about his personal health diminishment and fading?

A Venus-Jupiter opposition on Election Day does have Jupiter on Biden's WP in RA and Venus on his EP in longitude.

[Jim Eshelman]

An aside: I also learned yesterday that the need for a pre-convention virtual convention is no longer pressing for the original reason. Ohio created an exception in its ballot deadline law so that it isn't necessary to nominate by August 7.

The DNC, of course, could go with the original plan just to lock in the nomination early and guarantee everyone knew Biden is their candidate. Or, they can just let it wait for the convention.

[Jim Eshelman]

I've been attempting to learn exactly when the Republican National Convention opens - the opening gavel, literally or figuratively. Here is the hour by hour schedule.

Though there are many events earlier, I'm inclined to treat the official start of the convention as the start of "Official Session #1" Monday, July 15, 2024, 12:45 PM, Milwaukee, WI.

https://gopconvention2024.com/master-calendar/

Besides the fact that this opens with so precise a Mars-Uranus conjunction, the most interesting fact to me is that the Moon degree is exactly opposite the Sun at Washington's inauguration - a chart Kenneth Bowser has presented as a chart of the U.S. Presidency itself.

[SteveS]

Major changes between Biden & Harris after last night’s Presser:
Trump -225
Harris +275
Biden +700
The odds makers seem to NOW be solidly convinced one way or the other Biden will not be the candidate, or if he is by election night-- no way he wins vs Trump, which I have to agree with the astrology I see for Trump vs Biden.
Jim wrote:

There is one other possibility: All of this conjecture is based on the current, existing DNC rules. Those rules can be changed at any time by a simple majority vote of the DNC. On the other hand, Biden's delegates are not only pledged to him, the word is that they are enormously in favor of him (no surprise) so the chances of changing rules just so they can NOT vote for him is unlikely barring a far worse catastrophe than we already have.

It seems unconceivable to me the DNC allows Biden to be their candidate if Biden is going to still be running by the time of the DNC. If the DNC allows Biden to be their candidate, IMHO, they will miss a very good opportunity for Harris having a much better chance defeating Trump than Biden.

And Jim I understand where you are coming from with your astrological thoughts.

[SteveS]

No changes in the numbers.

[Jim Eshelman]

We are now entering what might be the most dangerous week of the year in many ways.

Also, Biden has a new Demi-SLR that he should be feeling today or tomorrow. Concurrent with it (not an important part of the return itself), Jupiter exactly conjoins his Saturn (part of his natal Jupiter-Saturn aspect which is probably his core political driver). The DSLR itself is mostly combative - strategic and combative - two Marses and two Mercuries, somewhat interacting, with the transiting Mars-Uranus conjunction on an angle. Along with this, the catch note of Jupiter transits to Saturn are usually alleviating various problems and a sense of "all is forgiven."

[SteveS]

I think Biden is indeed feeling a sense of "alleviating" pressure from his debate performance compared to his most recent Presser. No doubt his memory was serving him better in the Presser. But, if these betting odds numbers stay the same, which I read as a read on true Polls, then the Dem Party is going to have to figure out a way to get Biden to step down for a reasonable chance for Harris to win vs Trump. It appears to me Biden is not going to step down before the DNC but only TIME knows for sure. If the Party allows Biden to be the candidate to election because the rules of the DNC will not allow otherwise--then the Party will have to change the rules. If not, and these numbers basically stay the same till election the Party may be in serious trouble for this election cycle, but a long way to go before election and under the 2024 Capsolar's symbolism as I read it-- this election cycle will probably become even more bizarre.

[SteveS]

New odds out this morning Monday July 15:

Presidential Candidate Election Odds Chance to Win Election
Donald Trump -400 64.94%
Joe Biden +500 13.53%
Kamala Harris +800 9.02%
Gavin Newsom +1600 3.87%

[SteveS]

Trump - 300
Harris + 300
Biden + 750
Michell Obama + 1600

[Jim Eshelman]

Definite flip on expectations in the last 48 hours.

[SteveS]

Surely Biden will step down as candidate?

[Jim Eshelman]

Surely Biden will step down as candidate?

From the news, I was expecting it to be this weekend. However, if you have read my new monthly forecast - especially the Liblunar and the Biden SLRs - it looks like it's the week immediately before the convention (which I think is too late).

[SteveS]

I can't tell what is true from all the news. My nephew said Biden wants to have an open convention including himself as the pledged candidate, and if his delegates want to change their pledges to him--he will step down. Is this possible Jim?

[Jim Eshelman]

Yes, it's possible, though unless he officially releases them it only guarantees him the nomination.

I just discovered that Harris has a SSR progressed Moon-Jupiter square the first week of August - basically when they were planning to have the online rollcall if they still go for that. SQ Moon squares progressed Jupiter 8/6 and solar Jupiter 8/9.

News out of Washington the last couple of days is that people around Biden - except for his tight half-dozen closest - are resigned to thinking it's a matter of when, not if, he steps down. As of this morning, the word is that all the big players are coalescing around Harris as an alternative, half because they want her and half because they see no other viable path forward. Again, it becomes a matter of when and how more than if.

[SteveS]

I hear you Jim---that is certainly what the odds are suggesting.

[Jim Eshelman]

If she is in Washington the morning after her birthday, she has what looks like a winning SSR, though with surrounding events suggesting the sadness of personal loss (Biden?).

But her lunars for the next few months suck in Washington. She'll do better if she has them on the road, at other locations. We can watch them fortnight by fortnight.

[Mike V]

But her lunars for the next few months suck in Washington. She'll do better if she has them on the road, at other locations. We can watch them fortnight by fortnight.

I can only imagine that if she does become the nominee, she is going to be campaigning fiercely; hopefully she's not in Washington very much at all.

[SteveS]

If I am Biden in order to attempt to go out with dignity, I would announce I am releasing my delegates to re-vote their conscious at an open DNC because of my limited conditions due to aging, recommending my VP---K Harris. This seems to be the common sense procedure for the Party to become united again. Otherwise, I see no chance for the Party winning vs Trump.

[SteveS]

IF Harris is at her DC residence on Monday Oct 21 when her new SSR sets-up---very high % she wins Prez with Ebertin's “Thank You Lord Aspect” of her SSR Uranus cnj her Natal Jupiter with her r Jupiter partile cnj SSR Dsc!!!! Moon-Jupiter cnj in her SSR!!! This means she picks-up a t Jupiter to her SSR Moon when she takes office as Prez!!!

K Harris Oct 2024 SSR inside wheel; Natal outside wheel
https://ibb.co/Fgqrtfy

[Jim Eshelman]

October 21, 2024 9:40:59 AM EDT, Washington, DC

t Venus Asc -9°47'
r Uranus MC -8°06'
t Saturn IC -7°38'
t Uranus Dsc -1°11'
-------------------------
r Jupiter Dsc 0°42'
r Saturn IC +7°11'
r Neptune Asc +8°04'
r Mars Z +2°47'

t Moon-Neptune sq 2°59'
t Moon-Jupiter co 3°39'

r Saturn-Neptune sq 0°52' M
t Saturn op r Uranus 0°28' M
t Uranus co r Jupiter 1°27'
t Venus sq r Uranus 1°41' M
t Venus-Saturn sq 2°09' M
r Mars-Jupiter sq 2°43'

Mixed indications, with a natal Saturn-Neptune mundane square the only partile aspect. However, several of the foreground planets are quite wide from the angles. If we want to simplify the chart a bit, we can drop out the Class 3 angularities (and their aspects) and get a quite simple message like Steve is mentioning:


t Uranus Dsc -1°11'
-------------------------
r Jupiter Dsc 0°42'

t Moon-Neptune sq 2°59'
t Moon-Jupiter co 3°39'

t Uranus co r Jupiter 1°27'

[SteveS]

Jim, it has come to my attention Harris true home is in Brentwood, Ca with her husband (Jim-can you confirm?) If true, and Harris is in Brentwood for her 2024 SSR (very early morning)---then I would say very high % Trump wins Prez. This may turn out to be a classic example of being in the wrong place at the wrong time (Brentwood residence) or the right place at the right time (DC residence) for a SSR. If Harris does become the Dem nominee we must pay very close attention WHERE her 2024 SSR sets-up.

[Jim Eshelman]

I don't know for sure if she has a place in brentwood, though that wouldn't be unusual. I actually thought she had a home in Oakland or some other part of the San Francisco Bay Area. The charts on the west coast look quite different from the charts on the east coast. Wherever she lives the question is really whether she is in Washington the morning after her birthday. I don't know that we will know that until that day comes.

Steve perhaps you can research where she has spent her last three birthdays. That might give us a clue to what she will do this year. In any case, presuming she gets the nomination, my favorable forecast will be quite explicit that it depends upon her being in Washington DC at 9:40 a.m. the morning after her birthday.

[Jim Eshelman]

Actually, this was easier than I thought. She has spent her last three birthdays in Washington dc. In 2021 they threw a surprise party for her at the white house. The other two years she is reported celebrating privately at her navel Observatory home.

[SteveS]

Indeed Jim! We may need to enlist the expert aid of Lyse's expert 'seek and find' with truths online for SSR locations.

[SteveS]

Oh, just read your latest post Jin about her last 3 b-days in DC. Intuitively i feel she will win Prez if nominee.

[SteveS]

Trump -250
Harris +135